Obituary David Wyan Hays 1955-2024

David Wyan Hays 69, of Maben Mississippi passed away in his sleep on the morning of December 5th 2024. David is survived by his wife, Joyce Smith Hays, who he cared for for many years as Alzheimers Disease from a stroke many years earlier which slowly took her away until her placement in a care facility in October of 2023. David also had a stroke after his 3rd Pfizer “vaccine” and dementia from that increased over these past 2 years contributing to his demise.

David Hays Maben, MS 2019

David was the oldest of the “Hays Boys,” David, Jimmy, and Tommy, of MSgt James H. Hays and Dolores Anna (Nickel) Hays of Schenectady, NY. He is survived by his two brothers James H. Hays Jr. (dog Daisy) of West Point, MS. and Thomas E. Hays (Robyn) of Biloxi, MS. He is also survived (I guess) by his sister Paula Dee (Paul) Fanning who estranged herself from us and as we have nothing nice to say there we will say nothing at all. He is also survived by many nephews (Thomas E. Hays, Jr. of Gloversville NY, etc.) and nieces, grand nephews and nieces, and great grand nephews still residing in New York.

Born in Rome, NY in 1955 as that was the closest military installation when mom went into labor, he spent a few years at Fort Niagara when at 4 years old (1960) the family moved to 71 Elder St. in Schenectady, NY where he spent his childhood and early adulthood among a neighborhood of many baby boomer kids in normally abnormal families. As a boy and man he was adept at working with his hands and was a jack of all trades, in early adulthood working at home repair and contracting, a tradition continued by his Grand Nephew Garett Hays with Hays Home Improvement in Gloversville, NY at 518-332-1460. He also worked for many years at Georgia Pacific and actually quit when they were going to promote him to management and an office job. He also worked for many years on and off at Marino’s Flying Pizza in Schenectady, NY working as manager when his good friend Mario Marino was unavailable.

Garett Hays, Hays Home Improvement, of Gloversville, NY 518-332-1460 in Siloam, MS loading some of Uncle David’s tools for use in his contracting business after helping Uncle Jim settle Jimmy’s brothers affairs.

From the time he was little David would not back down from a fight, even with the odds against him and he sure to lose. At about 7 he went down the street announcing to a new 7 year old kid just moved in he was there to beat him up. Unfortunately he learned that the new kids father had taught him how to box and David was getting the worst of it. After a few minutes the father came out breaking it up and as was the custom taking them to the side faucet to wash up and shake hands stating he had to break it up as David would’t quit, “unless he was knocked out or was near dead.”

As a young adult David was walking down the street across from the Elder St. corner bar when he was accosted by 6 black men looking to beat up “White Boys” as revenge for a black man beat up in the projects which were 3 blocks away. Having no choice, he took them on and was holding his own when a bat was introduced and he was hit in the right elbow smashing it into pieces. He tucked his limp arm into his belt stating, “if that’s the way were going to play it” as he opened his folding knife with his left hand and went after the closest, holding them off. Across the street people came out of the bar to see the commotion but none intervened as the police sirens got close and the assailants all ran off.

David was looking at losing the use of his arm but luckily the Orthopedic Surgeon on call was the best in the area and after surgery and a long rehab he regained full use to the arm. No assailant was identified or arrested so there was no way to pay them back. Tommy was so mad that the people we knew at the bar didn’t help in a 6 on 1 that he made a mental list of who was there and set about finding them out in bars and beating them up. David was known for his toughness but mostly if you left him alone there was no problem. Tommy got the (well deserved) reputation as a tough guy and those looking to make a name for themselves would often search him out. As Tommy is still living I’ll hold on the many, many adventures they, and the Hays Boys, had.

Davids passion was motorcycles, his 500 Yankee, 750 Honda and then riding his 1977 Harley which he rode until the NY weather made it hazardous. He even went so far as to continue riding with a cast on a broken leg, the crutch bungee strapped to the seat bar behind him. He also rode cross country making it to California and back this during the “Nix-on” gas era where gas was rationed and you were restricted to buying gas on odd or even days corresponding to the last number on your license plate if you could even find it. He travelled again to California in the late 70s with his long time girlfriend Kari Meyers and was offered a lucrative business opportunity by her uncle but, forever loyal to friends and family, he returned to NY when she wanted to.

David, Jimmy, and Tommy Hays Elder St., Schenectady

It was a happy and tumultuous childhood for the “Hays Boys” and most of the baby boomer boys growing up in a tough industry town. Being near Irish twins, I was born 15 month’s after David, I was often involved in his adventures. My first trip into a bar, at 16, was the College Inn where David instructed me to stand behind him at the bar. “Always know what they have on tap and order like you’re a regular so you don’t get carded” was his advice and when the bartender carded him he handed his drivers license then the bartender looked at me and said, “he looks a little young” but my brother had shown his NY License, on paper back then with only height and eye color, and held it behind his back for me and I showed the bartender the same license. And thus I was introduced to the favorite past time of many young men in Schenectady of pitchers of draft beer and 8-ball on a short bar pool table at a quarter a game. With a bar at the corner of Elder St., and many others in town, we honed our draft beer drinking and pool shooting skills. He also shared much wisdom with me such as “never hook your heels in the bar stool, always keep your feet on the ground” and “never bother the 35 year old at the end of the bar, he probably knows how to handle himself and just want to be left alone to enjoy a beer.” 

Jim, Tommy, David, and Paula Hays 1980 Elder St. Schenectady

The early 80s saw all 3 Hays Boys in Schenectady as adults and David marrying his first wife, Cheryl with our good friend Ed Rich as best man. At the reception we took my sisters camera without her knowing, back then a 35mm with film that had to be developed. The Hays Boys and best man Ed dropped the trousers of our 3 piece suits and took an “anonymous” moon shot, David well into the can overly exposed himself in the exposure. We put the camera back without her knowing. Luckily she had double prints made and survived the” WTF is this” shock at reviewing the developed prints and so I have a copy which shall adorn the wall in my house with other treasured family photo’s.

Surprise – Bad Moons a Rising

David had wit and a very humorous side to himself and could spin a yarn with a straight face. Mostly the pranks were harmless, if not a little off color. He used to take the shelled walnuts and glue them back together, put them back into the nut bowl, and wait for my father to open them. Dad then started shaking them to see if they had anything in them so David started to put balled up tinsel from the Christmas Tree in them so they would rattle. Dad resigned himself to the fact he was going to open 2 nuts to get one until we tired of the prank. 

The early 1900s house on Elder St. had an old coal burner which was converted to natural gas, a huge monstrosity on the dirt floor in the basement with a monstrous cast iron door that you used to feed the coal in with but which now was so hot when the furnace was running in winter it would cause 2nd degree burns just touching it. Somehow, as a young teen, David figured out if you urinated on it the urine would immediately turn into vapor and within about 5 minutes a slight ammonia odor would seep into the first floor in spots. Dad, filling the house with his smoke from 4 packs of Camel non filters a day couldn’t smell anything but my mother had a very sensitive sense of smell. We would hit the furnace then go upstairs and wait and mom would then announce, “I smell something?” Dad’s retort was he didn’t smell anything. “I tell you I smell something” as she now moved about the house trying to figure out the source. “I smell it over here” and Dad would get up and sniff test with a “nothing there.” She would find another hot spot with “it’s stronger over here” and dad would sniff test and come back with a “Damn it Dolores, it’s in your head.” As we were laughing until our sides split both mom and dad would ask, “what are you boys laughing about?” Deep down dad probably knew we were somehow the cause of the commotion.

Dolores Hays and her Mothers Day “Fruit Bowl”

David was renovating mom’s bathroom a few years after dad had passed. The new commode had come in and that Sunday was mothers day. David made sure that mom was out to church and went over and unpacked the toilet in the living room and then filled it with mothers day flowers and a bunch of fruit, making it a “fruit bowl” of sorts. Mom comes home to find it sitting there with a “Happy Mothers Day, we got you a fruit bowl” to many laughs.  

Divorced for many years David met and married a Mississippi Girl, Lisa, who was in the navy and stationed in NY. She got out of the Navy and they moved to Mathiston, MS in 1995. 

Jim at Snyders Lake with David and Lisa Hays

In MS David went to a box factory looking for work and they put him on a hard machine which nobody could run to see what he could do. Within 4 hours he had it working and producing and they were so happy they announced to him they would be paying him the maximum per hour rate of $7.25 an hour (which was half of the NY rate). It was so low he said, “you gotta be shitting me” and thinking he was happy the guy said, no sir, and I mean we’ll pay you that starting this morning!” “You gotta be shitting me, a 40 hour week at that rate won’t even pay my car loan” let the fellow know it wasn’t a happy “you gotta be shitting me.” So back to contracting and home repair it was.

David settled in and worked on his homestead, a double wide on 2 acres, fixing homes and contracting. He enjoyed riding his Harley about, northeast MS is real rural with very few paved roads and plenty of scenic roads to toll around on. Eventually this marriage wouldn’t last and they divorced with David buying her out of the residence.

MS isn’t so easy to hit the bars as there are still many “dry counties” and even the possession of alcohol and “public intoxication” (i.e. odor on your breath) is illegal. David was in Webster County adjacent to Clay County which wasn’t dry. The “County Line Bar” in Clay the watering hole for neighboring dry Webster and Oktibbeha counties. At the County Line Bar in the early evening David decides to travel to West Point, MS in the middle of Clay County to visit another bar but decides it is to risky driving with a few under his belt. He turns around by backing into a rural residential driveway and hangs the one back wheel of the van over the drainage ditch leaving him spinning his wheels. So he goes to the house and asks for a push to get both tires on the ground. “Be right out” the guy says but within minutes the sirens tell a different story.

Between a rock and a hard place David goes with the cover story of the driver “Ben” ran off as David was sleeping in the back of the van. The Sheriff goes with the public intoxication laws and off to Clay County Jail he goes. Now upset he begins to fight with the Deputies and throws insults their way proclaiming he isn’t one of those low life poor bastards you throw in jail, using a racial derogatory label stating, “I’m not a N****r, I’m a White Man and I’ll be out in the morning.” He continues shouting at the Deputies and using the in house phone to call them until they just shut it off and after an hour of tumultuous in processing he finally asleep in a cell.

He awakes to find he has been placed in the felony tier with those of the skin color who would usually find offense at the racial derogatory label he threw about the night before, all headed to the State Prison for major felonies. He’s bunked with the only white guy on the tier, a 3 time felony drunk driving offender sentenced to prison and he says, “I’m f****d” but his cell mate advises he’s OK as he was the most exciting thing that had happened in a months, the whole jail was “hooting and hollering and laughing,” especially after the “I’ll be out in the morning” as they knew what the Sheriff would do. On the third day David is telling the Deputies he needs to get out as he has “dogs in the house and stock that needs to be watered and fed” even though he had none. 

He relayed the story to me after I bought the house in MS and unfamiliar with MS laws I told him that it was my experience that most jurisdictions had a 72 hour pre arraignment hold so that people arrested over the weekend could be held for arraignment on Monday morning. “Never thought of that” he said, I expect thinking straight never entering his head as he was caught up in the moment. Moral of the story is never tell the Sheriff what he can’t do.

David met Joyce Smith of Maben, MS who was raised in Maben, left to be a School Teacher in FL. and returned to Maben on retirement. They married and David moved into her house on Chestnut St. They spent many years together enjoying life. They both shared a concern for animals and fed and took in many stray dogs and fed the stray cats in the neighborhood. They had his camper van and also a camper trailer and enjoyed camping and going fishing together. 

The house across the street came up for sale, a run down affair with a hole in the roof and raccoons and squirrels living inside of it. They bought the house to tear it down but David saw the foundation and structure sound so he repaired the 2 story roof framing, under roof, and put on a metal roof by himself. At 6’ 4” and 190 pounds he could carry and put down the panels with no help. Slowly over time and with spare materials from other jobs he fixed up about 1/2 the interior with a working bathroom, laundry, and kitchen, heat, AC and all plumbing working. He used many unfinished bedrooms for tool and material storage with his contracting business.

He got into an argument with his wife’s daughter, Karen (and a “Karen” she is) who cajoled her mother to divorce David which he accepted in stride. As the Mathiston house was rented he just moved in across the street and continued his contracting business and got on with his life. One day he was on the front porch and saw Joyce take a header over the side porch rail as she had had a major stroke. He ran to her side, followed the ambulance to the hospital, and when she was to be released moved back in her house to take care of her. She had a miraculous recovery and was physically functional with only minimal memory issues at first.

They decided to remarry and continue where they had left off. He was feeling a bit off and tests revealed he had Hepatitis B, most likely since he was a young man and this had led to liver cancer. He had surgery to remove the tumors off of his liver and was put on the transplant list. Even though he was in his 50s his physical condition was 100% and he matched for a transplant. The surgery rendered him disabled and he had to close his contracting business. They were living life together, keeping busy. We hadn’t seen each other in many years and I came to his house to visit and liked it here.

When I retired and decided to leave NY it was Northeast Mississippi where I looked to move to. I told the realtor “no fix me uppers” but was with David when I pulled into the driveway of my house, a 1965 never improved since then 4 bedroom, 2 bath ranch on 32 acres with a pond. Pulling in the drive I told David I liked the location. The place was a mess but David looked at it and at the end of inspection said, “we can fix this up nice” and so I put in an offer, went back to NY, and then bought the house.

Laundry room with carport entry/exit and holes in the wall to the ourside

The laundry room after renovations

Back to MS and some happy times as David would drive up in the morning, we would go get breakfast, then work on the house for 4-5 hours. Weakened from his medical issues his mind was sharp and we set about enjoying each others company as we worked, told stories of past adventures, and joked with many of the same jokes we told at 25 when working on projects together. I had all the windows and doors replaced, the laundry room and living room were finished, the dining room was mostly done and 3 bedrooms had been finished. With much work done I headed back to NY to get my last total knee replacement, sell my NY holdings and get back to MS and fixing the house. (Photo’s of renovation at end of the obituary)

Living room finished save for floor and laundry door trim, memories of a life well lived
Living room towards front door which is almost never used

Then the Wuhan China Virus hit, my surgery was postponed and life put on hold my expectation to be out of NY in September 2020 was pushed back an entire year to September of 2021. Worse, upon my return to MS my brother came to the house but was unable to work complaining of dizziness which started after his third Pfizer mRNA booster. It took the doctor 3 months to order tests which showed he had had a stroke and was suffering early dementia. His wife, who already had dementia, also had the 3rd Pfizer booster. The dementia in both of them continued to progress. The evil ones who designed the poison, I’m sure, are to deny any causal relationship and responsibility.

In October Karen spirited her mother away under false pretenses and had her placed in a care facility. While the right thing to do she did it the wrong way with no regard for my brother’s privacy or possessions. She took advantage of his dementia and I was going to file elder abuse complaints but David asked me not to out of respect for Joyce, so I deferred. While not needed by me, some of his property was pilfered by “friends and family.”  I moved him back across the street and made sure everything was running with him giving me power of attorney to take care of his affairs. He oft stated he was looking to live until he no longer had to care for Joyce and without Joyce he went downhill quickly. 

His (mis) treatment by the government system when he couldn’t care for himself even with my help is a story into and of itself. I’ll leave the telling for another time and place. I am angered at government bureaucracy which causes problems in such a way as no one is held accountable. No one can say how many days they have left on this earth, but it is safe to say that the happiness of my brothers last days, and my happy days with him, were stolen from us. 

Not to end on a sour note, he lit the candle at both ends his entire life and he rode his body hard as is our “Hays Boys” way. And in the end there were very many more happy days then mediocre and sad, for even on the “oh shit” days of turmoil and things not going like planned, he found humor and laughs in the irony of the stupid shit we do. It was a life well lived and his brothers, Jimmy and Tommy, among others remember him fondly and miss him greatly.  The home here a testament to his abilities and a reminder to me of the good times.

David working on the living room demo
David, ceiling and walls done, new windows in and door cut for laundry room
David admiring the brand new 20×30 w 12′ porch pole barn we had put in and getting the tools ready for the days work.
Dining room, done save for the floor trim
Feb. 2020 view from the dining room out the new patio door. We had finished the laundry room, living room entirely and dining room (save floor trim and cabinet spruce up), and 3 guest bedrooms including painting, flooring, windows and doors, crown moulding. This from Feb. 2019 to June 2019.
Jun 11, 2019 Daisy enjoys the view from the 1st guest bedroom which will soon have a new floor. We’ll head back to NY to return to MS with the first load of stuff.
February 2020 back in MS trying to find a place for the shit we collected, which filled a house and required a bigger house, which we started to fill with even more shit.
March 2020 returning to NY to get the 2nd total knee replacement, sell the NY house and return to MS to continue renovating the house with David. Surprise, the China Virus and lockdowns, life interrupting plans.
May 2021 start the move but learning that David is having trouble functioning as he comes to try to help but then has to sit down after 10 minutes, to dizzy to work.
July 2021 and the NY house is sold and all possessions moved to MS
November 25, 2021 David Wyan Hays and Joyce Smith Hays for Thanksgiving dinner at Siloam MS. By this time they had a difficult time just making it for an afternoon dinner. Tommy and Robyn stayed here and joined us for Thanksgiving in 2022 and David and Joyce joined us then but unfortunately I took no photo’s. I suppose I’ll have to rely on old fashioned memory.
The renovations continued me acting the “General Contractor,” with David unable to help, mostly through contractors, a new roof, tree cut down, water line and septic in the barn where I put in a sink and toilet, then electric to the barn (and a new electric utility pole to boot). I fixed the fence around the house and leased the land to a local farmer for grazing. I organized much stuff, put in raised beds and gardened, moved plantings around the house and worked on drainage, chickens and a coop, finished the guest bathroom (which is now the only working bathroom) and started demo on the master etc., etc. Since Oct. 2023 I have been taking care of my brothers affairs including his house repairs and food shopping weekly. Now household chores are just chores and I wish we had had more time, not to finish a project, but to have more projects to work on together which then didn’t seem like a chore. Life is about the journey not the end result. It’s been a good journey Bro, better with you in it. So hop on that bike, leave the helmet at home, and ride, ride like the wind. We’ll catch you on the flip flop.

Post script: David requested no service as he was a self professed “heathen” and a non believer. He had requested his body go to medical science and I had tried to arrange that but the government FUBAR is in effect and it didn’t happen. He’ll be cremated and his remains will sit on the shelf next to my Black Dog’s remains. My bible says ashes to ashes, dust to dust, and no mention of draining your blood, filling you with toxic chemicals, placing you in a wooden box which is then placed in a cement box so you sit in the ground for 10,000 years not decaying. I’ll be cremated also, thank you, and whoever (person pet, or other) which is on the shelf can be put into a coffee can with me and our ashes spread where ever (choose a nice, non windy day is my advice). I’ll take a prayer myself being a believer, and say one for all the others, heathen or not, it’s the Christian thing to do.

More on DNA and genealogy

First, if you want to learn about DNA and genealogy an in depth source of information is the International Society Of Genetic Genealogy.

In “Evidence” on this site I discuss levels of proof that evidence leads us to and also that the evidence needs to be taken in totality and it is often the lack of considering all evidence (totality) that incorrect conclusions are drawn. While the DNA test is accurate, in the application of genealogy it is used to compare our DNA to others with the same or similar DNA markers. As such there is no “Scot DNA” or “Ulster DNA” which can put your ancestors in a specific spot at a specific time. Our ancestors migrated west into Europe 25,000 years ago and moved into Scotland in waves after the last ice age, some migrating back east, north, and south over time.

Often DNA is a close match but the person can be removed from consideration in your family tree due to a different surname. It is the DNA match AND surname similarity which provides the higher percentage of a recent common ancestor. As the number of people getting their DNA tested increases, and more corroborating information is shared the value and accuracy of the information will increase.

Many of us in North America look back to our country of origin when researching our roots and identify as “insert country from-American”. But in that country of origin there was also a path of settlement. In The Scots: A Genetic Journey Alistair Moffat (A must read) points out that prior to the migration to the Americas in the 16th century Scotland was the end of the western migration and that migration started after the last ice age and came in waves by several distinct tribes and different societies. I recommend this book as it not only discusses DNA but also covers hunter-gatherer settlement, the development of farming, and also historical languages.

In 10 generations you can have 1024 possible contributors to your DNA and this brings us back only to our ancestors in Scotland. To try to explain where your DNA came from Family Tree breaks it down into your “Origins” as defined by the current nations and “Ancient Origins” as defined by historical society groups in time. My origins show me 59% British (which includes Scotland), 27% Scandinavian, 8% Eastern Europe, and 4% Iberian Peninsula. My ancient break down is 43% Hunter-Gatherer society, 42% Farmer society, and 15% Metal Age Invaders society. The Scots: A Genetic Journey has a nice break down of the Hunter-gatherer, farmer, and metal worker migrations into Scotland and why my DNA shows these roots.

In my last post “the value of Y-DNA” I discussed “Nicholas Hays” whose ancestors genealogy research indicated they were from the Irish Clan “Hayes”. I have since found a site of an ancestor, Curtis Hays, who had DNA done. While his DNA ruled out relation to the Irish Clan he erroneously concludes he was not related to Clan Hay due to his DNA roots (Slav-Kurgen). Reading “The Scots” shows that this DNA is from areas that migrated into England and Scotland.

Further, who he settled with indicates a kith or kin relationship and this was ignored. While Nicholas Hays may not have a very similar DNA to John (or Patrick) Hays (a fact I am not sure of as I haven’t compared them) his settling with Ulster Presbyterians and migrating with them indicates a connection to Clan Hay. I am unsure of his religion but the books handed down at his passing were consistent with Presbyterianism. The saying that birds of a feather flock together is true for humans also. The common spelling of the surname adds to the evidence.

There are 11 listed Hay settlements, 4 in the southern lowlands of Scotland on the Clan map (top). As surnames were being adopted in the 16th century and commonly used often persons would use the Clan name. I have also found several references in 1700 Presbyterian books of the Hays being a part of that religion. My Hays ancestors are buried in a Presbyterian Church grave yard in Greene, TN. The “Hays” families who migrated to VA through PA then on to what is now Greene, TN and across that state and we can reasonably believe that the Ulstermen who migrated originally from the Scottish lowlands and were affiliated with a branch of the Clan Hay which are further back in time affiliated with the Earl of Errol’s Clan Hay.

When your Y-DNA is done it is matched with those similar to you and each person can list an “Earliest Known Ancestor”. I have corresponded with several persons who have claimed their ancestry back to Patrick Hays or John Hays both of whom settled on the Borden Land Grant in Virginia, Circa 1740 and the DNA indicates an 80% chance of a common ancestor in 10 generations, 90% at 12. My research ends at William Hays (8 generations from me) in Greene, TN. and although DNA indicates a relation to either John or Patrick I have not seen any record linking them to William Hays and then to me. The DNA has, however given me direction on where to look for the connection. I am hopeful at some point to get confirmation of the connection from a DNA Cousin.

One person shows the Earliest Known Ancestor as Sir John Hay of Tullibody d. 1418 and another shows William delaHaye (1120-1170) Lothian, Scotland. Again I have no evidence to connect the “Hays” line to William dela Haye. That said, about 1500 years ago “Expansion Clusters” began to form. These were due to increasing wealth and political power of a family offering social selection and breeding advantages and men having children with multiple women over many years. A man with 10 sons who then have ten sons has 100 related men affiliated with his Clan Banner. So while not proven on paper, it is quite possible.

Many people have listed John and Patrick Hays as brothers, and one source states that 7 Hays brothers (including them) arrived in a span of 6 years. It appears the father of the 7 brothers who migrated here, each having a large farm family (as subsequent sons did), created a bit of a DNA Expansion Cluster in America. It is confusing as whole church congregations migrated at the same time with entire families of Hays included with them. The other Hays from various parts of Ulster, many most likely with a common Hay ancestor in Scotland, dispersed across Northern Ireland where opportunity took them for several generations and then clustered together in America where opportunity and a shared belief system brought them together.

I suspect this is the story of the John and Patrick Hays brothers and Nicholas Hays. A Patrick Hays migrated to present day Derry, PA and owned land there. I suspect he was the advance for the rest of his brothers. Patrick and John both took land grants in 1740 in Virginia on the Borden Grant in the Shenandoah Valley which were given to families which “self imported” (paid their own fare over). Nicholas Hays entered as an indentured servant to a tailor in Philadelphia in 1745. From there he migrated to VA. While Patrick Hays returned to PA it appears his, and his brothers ancestors, migrated to Greene, TN which was on the western edge of the new nation. Nicholas was to also migrate there with his family.

The various Hays families participated in the French and Indian Wars and then the Revolutionary War on the side of the Colonials and in fact the Presbyterian Ulstermen (Scotch-Irish as they had come to be called) had few Tories in their ranks. Many were paid in land grants, often on the western front. As the country expanded they expanded also and played a part in history in the formation of Kentucky, Missouri, Kansas, Texas, and all the way to California. Hopefully DNA and the historical record can help us sort out the whose who of the Hays in America.

Different spellings by different Hays, Hayses, & Hayeses

The question I wondered is why do the related Hay, Hays, and Hayes have different spellings?  Is one related to a different faction of the Clan, perhaps changed to denote a different geographical area or religion or loyalty?  My line spells it H-a-y-s and “no e” was the standard response to those who sought to automatically put it in.  It was so often done I now state my name then spell it (Hays-H-A-Y-S), and still many put the “e” in it.  But why different spellings and why the added “e” by many?

First grammar 101 – You plural a name (noun) by adding an s (no apostrophe).  For names ending in s we add an es and for names ending in y we do not change to ies like other nouns and add an s after the y, exceptions to the rule.   To make a name possessive we add the ‘s but here we have another rule exception in that a name ending in s can be made possessive by adding only an after the and both are considered correct.  For example, the Kennedy family are the Kennedys and their home is Kennedy’s house.  The Jones family are the Joneses and their home is Jones’s House or Jones’ House.

And I note for the record I had to look it up and so expect I (and others) often make an error in the standard rules. So Hay, Hays, and Hayes have exceptions to the rules (ending in y or s) which are probably often not followed.  And the rules of grammar as we know them weren’t in place until the 1900’s (the King’s English and Modern English Usage).  Also, levels of education varied greatly from 1700-1900 and although many could read or write it wasn’t at the levels of knowledge we know today, many being educated at grade school levels only into the 1900’s.  So our present day high school education tendency to err on making the surname plural or possessive is greatly increased in prior generations.

I note on the Scottish Clan map that Hay is used for both the highland and lowland (border) branches of the Clan.  But Clan Hay (following today’s grammar rules would be the Hays and Duns Castle would be Hays’ (or Hay’s) Duns Castle.  But absent a written record with todays proper grammar the use of Hays/Hays’/Hayes/Hays’s for both plural and possessive variations of Hay would sound the same.  I surmise that Hays came into common language use with written spellings of Hays and Hayes being used interchangeably for plural and possessive of Clan Hay peoples and places.

While delaHaye was being anglicized into Hay in Scotland there was an Irish Clan “O hAodha” which was anglicized into Hayes (in County Cork O’Hea and Ulster Hughes).  Scotland, Ulster, and Ireland all had migrations to America over time and so we can expect Hay, Hays, Hayes from Scotland; Hays and Hayes from Ulster; and Hayes from Ireland with each recorded with whatever spelling suited the writer to match the spoken.  A good example is U.S. President Rutherford B. Hayes who is listed on the aforementioned Irish Hayes as a famous person but his own genealogy research shows his Hayes ancestors coming to America from Scotland in the 1600’s with no Hays or Hay spelling in the recorded line.

I did find one mention that the spelling “Hays” was used by the Clan Hay who were Presbyterian and migrated to America due to religious strife in the early 1700’s (Ulstermen).  It was told through 3 generations to an author (I lost specific reference in a computer crash) and thus hearsay.  Pennsylvania Genealogies (1886) by William Henry Egle lists (p. 286) the Hay or Hays Family of PA noting Hay, Hays, or Hayes derive from DelaHaye and “The American branch of the family write it Hays, as a general thing.”

The US Census records (1850 and beyond) used in support of my Hays line spell it “H-A-Y-S” with notations they could read and write, and thus provided a proper spelling.  Grave markers give us better support for the spelling as it is “H-A-Y-S” and it is expected that correct spelling would be of utmost importance on these.

I think we can say beyond a reasonable doubt that the Ulstermen John Hays and Patrick Hays (and their relations in PA and VA in the early 1700’s) preferred the spelling “H-A-Y-S”, but there were variations and “H-A-Y-E-S” was used, including by some of their descendants officially.  We have reasonable cause to believe that Ulster Presbyterian Scots used “H-A-Y-S” as a preferred spelling and a suspicion that this may have been used in the lowlands and Ulster to distinguish the Clan Hay Presbyterians.

The title is correct for the plural of Hay, Hays, and Hayes but I note in closing the proper “s” or “es” grammar rules are not often followed even today.  I am learning that most questions of genealogy and history of the Hays opens up two more questions which requires more research to answer.  But it is the journey which is the adventure, nor arriving at the destination.