Hays PA and VA 1700s DNA – What We Know

The Big Y Test Reveals a common Hays ancestor in 1550 CE for Patrick Hays (1720s PA) and John Hays (1740s VA) and a distinct DNA line for Patrick Hays (PA).

Four of us Ulster Scot Hays whose ancestors migrated to the America’s in the early 1700s have completed the Big Y 700 at Family Tree DNA and have family trees going back to either Patrick Hays settling in Derry, PA 1728 or John Hays settling in Augusta, VA in 1740. DNA indicates that both have a common ancestry from Ulster, Ireland. With a mutation from a common ancestor in 1550 and a second mutation in 1750. Persons with the “Hays” surname and lacking recorded evidence of ancestry may be able to use the Big Y DNA test to identify their line back to Scotland through Northern Ireland and the pioneer settlers in PA and VA in America in the 1720s and 1740s respectively.

If I’m reading this correctly, our common ancestor is R-FT115175. He was in 1550 CE (1296-1706) the parent group from which R-FT115690 mutated from. R-FT115690 is the parent of R-FT116536 which mutated in 1750 CE (1657-1857).  We have 2 persons with R-FT116536 and they trace to Patrick Hays 1705-1790 in PA. We have 2 persons with R-FT116590 who trace their ancestry (highly suspected) to John Hays 1674-1750 in VA. Thus any person doing research on their Hays line who matches an ancestor in the line of the 4 listed can be reasonably certain (barring any errors in the genealogy trees) that they are from the Patrick Hays or John Hays lines. The R-FT116590 shows relations to John Hays from the mutation in 1550 which may be a relative 175 years before his birth. The R-FT116536 mutation may be Patrick Hays himself or his father or grandfather and as such relation may be through his brothers, or an unknown cousin, who migrated with him in the early 1700s.

R-FT116590 and R-FT116536 family trees: (As reported by the individuals, Patrick or John into the 1800s).

  1. R-FT116536 Patrick Hays 1705-1790, Samuel Hays ? Dauphin County, PA – 1805 Warren, Kentucky, William Hays 10 Mar 1761 Augusta, VA – 25 Sep 1851 Warren Kentucky, Daniel Hays 1799 ? – 1862 Warren, KY.
  2. R-FT116536 Patrick Hays 1705-1790, Samuel Hays 1741 Dauphin County, PA  1805 Bowling Green, KY, James Hays 1758 Augusta, VA  (1783 lived in Davidson, TN) – 1830 Warren County, KY, John Hays 1785 Lincoln County, KY – ?, James Samuel Hays 1822 Bowling Green, KY – 1860 Marlin, TX.
  3. R-FT116590 John Hays (unconfirmed) 1720 Bangor, Ireland – ? Augusta, VA, Unknown Hays, William Hays 1753 VA – 1831 Wythe, VA,  Jacob Hays 1785 Rich Valley, Montgomery, VA – 1858 Brunswick, MO
  4. R-FT116590 (me) John Hays 1674-1750, James Hays unk (Ulster)-unk, James Hays unk-unk, William Hays 3 Mar 1773 Rockbridge, VA – 10 Sep 1857 Greene, TN, George Hays 1802 Blue Springs, Greene, TN – 1866 Blue Springs, Greene, TN, William A. Hays 1835 Clear Creek, Greene, TN – 1911 Cedar Lane, Greene, TN. 

At Family Tree DNA, the 67 Marker YDNA has 2 persons with a genetic distance of 3 steps from me, one traced back to Patrick Hays and one traced back to John Hays. FTDNA advises that at 111 markers 0 steps removed is accurate to 6 generations, 1 step is 9 generations, and 2 steps are 11 generations. At 111 there are 2 persons 5 steps removed with 1 tracing to John Hays and 1 tracing to Patrick Hays and one 6 steps removed tracing to Patrick Hays. The 67 and 37 marker tests show the Y-DNA Haplogroup R-M269 which mutated 4000 years ago (with 14 mutations to R-FT115175) thus any Y-DNA test below the Big-Y 700 will not provide any help in determining which Hays line you came from given he common ancestor R-FT115175 in 1550 Scotland and the common ancestor branches from R-FT116590 in late 1600-early 1700s Ulster Ireland.

These Hays arrived, most likely, in Philadelphia settled on the edge of the European settlements between existing original settlers and the natives (which we will discuss further in later blogs). There were scant written records when the Hays arrived in America and the European settlements didn’t venture far inland from the coastal settlements. As an example Patrick Hays settlement in Dauphin County in 1728 was well beyond the “Walking Purchase” of land from the Lenape (Delaware) Indians in 1737. The settlement in the Shenandoah River Valley of Virginia of John Hays in the 1740s likewise was intended to provide a buffer between the original settlers in Jamestown and the natives, luckily recorded in the Lyman Chalkley “Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement of Virginia.”

By 1700 the powerful Iroquois Federation (originally 5 tribes: Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, and Seneca adding a 6th, the Tuscarora in 1722) controlled most of present day NY, PA, VA and the lands west to the Ohio River Valley and beyond (control claimed by other tribes also).  The 1722 Treaty of Albany (NY) was supposed to stop settlement beyond the Blue Ridge Mountains at the Great Warriors Path (southeast of the Appalachian Mountains) but the number of settlers outpaced available land and settlement continued west in PA and then southwest following the Shenandoah Valley.  In 1742 a party of Onondaga and Oneida Indians skirmished with the Augusta, VA Militia and in 1744 at the Treaty of Lancaster the Iroquois sold the Shenandoah Valley which increased settlements and development of the Great Wagon Road (former Great Warriors Path) which stretched from Philadelphia to Gettysburg then southwest to Roanoke and then south into the Piedmont of North Carolina and continuing through South Carolina ending at Augusta, GA on the Savannah River.     

The Biographical Encyclopedia of Dauphin County PA states that Patrick Hays was born in Donegal, Ireland in 1705 and arrived in PA settling in Dauphin County, Derry, PA in 1728 with his brothers, Hugh, William, and James. Patrick had 5 sons (David, Robert, William, Samuel, and Patrick). James is presumed dead by 1751 and brother Hugh and William travel to Virginia in the early 1750s with Hugh returning to PA until his death with only a daughter recorded. Patricks 2 sons, William (b. 1737) and Samuel (b. 1741) also travel to Virginia.

John Hays and Patrick Hays (VA) self imported to Orange County, Virginia in 1740 from Northern Ireland via Philadelphia (unknown arrival year). As self importers they were entitled to settle land which was awarded in two grants, one the Beverly Grant and the other the Borden Grant (which we will explore in depth in a future blog).  Patrick settled with his wife Frances and children Joan, William, Margaret, Catherine, and Ruth. John’s wife was Rebecca with children Charles, Andrew, Barbara, Joan, and Robert.

Patrick’s (PA) brothers Hugh and William travelled to Virginia in the 1750s and his sons William (1737) married (1767 ) Jean Taylor and Samuel (1741) married unknown and removed to Virginia also. It is possible they continued down the road into North Carolina also given the Indian hostilities occurring at the time.  The French and Indian War, 1754-1763 caused much movement between Virginia, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina which ended with the treaty of Paris with England controlling the Ohio Country. In 1763 a Royal Proclamation was issued preventing settlement past the Appalachian Mountains to try to prevent conflict with the Indians.

Thus, due to a hostile frontier, and until the end of the Revolutionary War 1775-1873, settlement was restricted and movement amongst the Hays ancestors of Patrick and John Hays occurred mostly in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and North Carolina with many moving back and forth as hostilities moved about. Excursions into Kentucky began with Daniel Boone and his son in law Capt. William B. Hays cutting the Wilderness Road through the Cumberland Gap and the Wautauga Settlement on leased land from the Cherokee in East Tennessee but widespread settlement wasn’t to occur until the end of the war.  Virginia (who controlled Kentucky) ceded their wilderness land to the Federal Government in 1783 and North Carolina (which controlled Tennessee) started land grants and then ceded their wilderness lands to the Federal Government in 1790.  Many of our Hays ancestors continued their pioneering with land grants in TN and KY.

Eastern American Geography Guiding the Settlement of the Hays’ in America

A map of the 18 major river basins in the lower 48 states created by Imgur user Fejetlenfej , a geographer and GIS analyst. https://imgur.com/gallery/WaEbi

To understand why people, first the natives then the Europeans, moved and settled where they did in Eastern America we need to understand a little bit about the geography of America from the Mississippis River Basin and east of the Mississippi River, especially the mountains and rivers which directed them.

The Appalachian Mountain Range is a series of Mountain Ranges, Plateaus, and Ridges which extends about 2000 miles southwest from Brunswick in Canada to East Tennessee and Northern Alabama.  It is divided into 3 Regions; North (Newfoundland to The Berkshires in MA and CT), Central (Hudson River Valley to New River [Tributary to Great Kanawha] in NC, VA, WV), and Southern (Blue Ridge Mountains and Cumberland Plateau) and provided a geographical divide  between the eastern seaboard and the midwest region.  The Adirondack Mountains are distinct from the Catskill Mountains and are not part of the Appalachian Range although their position impacts the diaspora.  

From: https://www.chegg.com/flashcards/us-capitals-states-and-physical-features-62553e73-bdc9-42dd-82a2-c283e4401605/deck

The Pleistocene Age ended about 11,700 years ago with the end of the last ice age.  The ice had covered almost all of Canada and parts of the Northern U.S.  The end of the ice age opened up present day Great Britain to settlement by humans and at the same time closed off the Americas from further migration of people by foot across Beringea and it formed the present oceans.  In North America it resulted in the Great Lakes and the course of the Ohio River.  It scoured out the Finger Lakes in NY and others in many states and determined the courses of the river systems.

The rivers and lakes were the roads of the undeveloped country and the natives had established many trails and portages which connected them.  When the Europeans first arrived by ocean it was first into the bay and then up the larger Rivers, tidal straights actually, that the Europeans sailed.  When Europeans first settled it was first along the bays, then the rivers, and finally they used the established trails as they moved inland.  As north America had no large pack animal prior to European introduction of the horse, movement of goods was by water or foot with larger waterbodies allowing movement of larger qualities of goods.  When the French, Dutch, English, and Spanish vied for control of eastern North America it was along the same paths that the natives used to wage tribal wars against one another or to trade or access hunting lands and fishing areas.

The Great Lakes (Superior, Michigan, Huron, Erie, and Ontario) are a series of interconnected fresh water lakes  which comprise about 84% of North Americas fresh water.  Stretching from Ontario, Canada and Minnesota in the U.S. to Quebec, Canada and New York in the U.S they then connect to the Atlantic Ocean via the St. Lawrence River from lake Ontario flowing northeast into the Gulf of St. Lawrence in New Brunswick Canada. Tributaries feeding into this form the Great Lakes Basin.

From http://extension.msstate.edu/sites/default/files/publication-images/P3082/Figure_1.jpg, Mississippi State University Extension

The Atlantic Seaboard Basin consists of river watersheds; Susquehanna, Hudson, Savannah, Delaware, Yadkin, and Potomac among other smaller ones.  The Susquehanna Basin starts at Otsego Lake which feeds the North Branch of the Susquehanna in NY flowing southwest and the West Branch in PA flowing east, then south and southeast through PA to MD where it empties into the Chesapeake Bay.

From https://www.weather.gov/, National Weather Service

The Delaware Basin starts on the west side of the Catskill Mountains at the East Branch in Delaware County, NY and the West Branch in Schoharie County, NY flowing southeast and combined flowing south traveling through NJ, PA (Philadelphia) and DE. 

From https://www.weather.gov/, National Weather Service

The Yadkin-Pee Dee River Basin has headwaters at the Appalachian ridge in in VA and the main branch in NC flowing east and then south through NC and SC entering the Winyuh Bay and then the Atlantic.  The Savanah Basin is the Tugalo and Chatooga Rivers which form to make the Savannah River.  It flows southeast and is much of the border between SC and GA draining into the Atlantic Ocean.  

The Potomac Basin starts on the North Branch in MD (a small part in WV) flowing east and the South Branch flowing northeast with headwaters in VA and the River mostly in WV, when the branches combine they flow southeast into the Chesapeake Bay in MD, DC and VA. The Shenandoah River originates on 2 forks in WV and VA combining and running northeast and it is a tributary of the Potomac at Harpers Ferry, WV. 

From https://www.weather.gov/, National Weather Service

The Hudson River Basin starts in the Adirondack Mountains and flows south then east then south again.  It is met just north of Troy, NY by the Mohawk River.  The Schoharie Creek originates in the Catskill Mountains and flows north to feed the Mohawk River.  The Mohawk River originates on the west side of the Adirondack Mountains and flows east-southeast to the Hudson River.   At Troy NY the Hudson River becomes a tidal estuary flowing south to Manhattan.

Reproduced from a post on Reddit.com, unknown original source.

The Gulf of Mexico Basin is fed by the Rio Grande and Mississippi River Watershed.  The Mississippi River watershed extends from the Rocky Mountains in the West to the Great Lakes Basin and all the area west of the Appalachian Mountains.  It includes the Ohio River on its eastern side and the Missouri River on the west.  The Ohio River starts at the confluence of the Allegheny and Monongahela Rivers in Pittsburg and flows west-southwest to the Mississippi River.  The Ohio River is fed by the Tennessee and Cumberland Rivers near the confluence of the Mississippi River.  The Mississippi Basin covers 32 U.S. states and 2 Canadian provinces encompassing over 1.1 million square miles traveling from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico in New Orleans.

The Hays from Ulster entered PA by the Delaware Bay in PA, most likely Philadelphia.  From there they settled in Derry PA.  Migration continued down the Shenandoah River Valley to Roanoke, VA.  Migrations of the Hays’ from there continued along the valley but was stopped by the Appalachian Ridge and the control of the land by natives.  Here the migration turned into the Yadkin River Valley until such time as land began to open in TN.  The Watauga settlement was started as exploration through the Cumberland Gap as did explorations of TN and KY and Hays’ would settle in both East TN, middle TN, and KY before migrating further west from there.  There were Hays’ at the Cumberland Settlement, the first settlement of Nashville.  My Hays line went from Augusta, VA to Greene, TN (near the Watauga Settlement and Knoxville).  There was a Hays, a son in law, with Daniel Boone when he explored and settled KY.  

New York State was a central point in the navigation of the east.  The Hudson River was tidal to North of Albany and thus navigable by larger ships and could be followed further north, then overland to Lake George north to portage to Lake Champlain and again on foot to access the St. Lawrence River and present day Quebec and Montreal.  To travel west from Albany one would overland to bypass the Cohoes Falls to present day Schenectady and access the Mohawk River which provided access west of the Appalachian Range. A short portage to to Oneida Lake, Oneida River and the Oswego River brings one to Lake Ontario and access to inland America on the lakes.

From https://geology.com/state-map/maps/new-york-rivers-map.gif

The Schoharie Creek is a tributary to the Mohawk River with headwaters in the Catskill Mountains flowing north.   This provides access to the Delaware River headwaters as both waters are in Schoharie County in NY.  Or one could travel further west to the headwaters of the Susquehanna River.  Inversely, from Chesapeake Bay or Delaware Bay one could follow that river to the Schoharie Creek, the Mohawk River, and the Oneida Lake route to the Great Lakes.

The Ohio River with headwaters in western PA, and a short distance from Lake Erie, flows through the eastern U.S. meeting the Mississippi River North of TN.  The Cumberland River flows from KY into middle TN (Nashville) turning northwest into KY to meet the Ohio River upstream of the confluence with the Mississippi River.  The Tennessee River flows through Eastern TN (Knoxville) southwest into northern Alabama then northeast back into western TN then KY meeting the Ohio River in between the Cumberland River and the Mississippi River.  The Watauga River is a tributary to the South Holiston River and the Tennessee River entering near Knoxville. All these rivers are relevant as we look at the Hays diaspora across America.

from https://www.tennesseeriverkeeper.org/rivermaps

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